What're you talking about? The bible is full of god being both angry and transactional. There are numerous old and new christian traditions which involve direct communication with god, ranging between presence imposition and full communication.
You seem to just be arbitrarily claiming the christian god is less of a tulpa than other gods. But where's your evidence thar? A bit hypocritical when your system a few days ago criticized someone for arbitrarily considering their tulpa above or different to others. Their reasoning was no different - "I have a different experience so my one is special."
Do you know what "vague supernatural signs" are? Looking for something where it does not exist. Remind me again how you begin forcing?
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I don't think talking to God (the Christian one) is the same thing as talking to a tulpa. I have heard the general expectation is you can "talk" to God but He may not answer back immediately or at all. If He does speak, He does so through life altering events. Otherwise, I think God is supposed to be a safe person to vent to? It's definitely not the same kind of relationship you get from talking to a tulpa. While you can share with your tulpa in a safe way, that doesn't apply to every tulpa. Tulpas also communicate the way you do, not through miracles or vague supernatural signs. Unlike God, a tulpa can also be angry with you and ask you for favors.
Oh, I should mention I know very little about Christianity. I made several assumptions about what "normal" interactions with God are.
You seem to just be arbitrarily claiming the christian god is less of a tulpa than other gods. But where's your evidence thar? A bit hypocritical when your system a few days ago criticized someone for arbitrarily considering their tulpa above or different to others. Their reasoning was no different - "I have a different experience so my one is special."
My initial view is I don't think God is a tulpa because I struggle to believe God is a person. It's a more abstract relationship, like how a person has a relationship with a company or a storyline. I think tulpas treated like God are most likely tulpas, but that requires a thoughtform you communicate with. Even if other people believe their tulpa is God, my assumption is that's impossible because God isn't something you can directly talk too. However, as you stated, my assumptions appear to be incorrect.
Do you know what "vague supernatural signs" are? Looking for something where it does not exist. Remind me again how you begin forcing?
While this applies to forcing, I think only some tulpamancers believe their tulpas have supernatural powers. A tulpa can be blamed for coincidence, but I don't think all entities blamed for are tulpas. For example, some people make conspiracies and blame 'the government' for unexplained things and that isn't a tulpa.
What you are saying with the last paragraph there is that you have experienced events that were clearly caused by a god rather than random chance, and that is something no one has ever been able to prove despite trying very hard to do so. The simple matter of it is that no matter what coincidence occurs they are observably random and do not happen in greater numbers to certain people. I was not saying tulpas have supernatural powers, I'm saying that random good, bad or profound things happening to you don't imply anything divine. They're just forcing.
5:50 PM
Also you're essentially admitting here that the issue is a lack of imagination on your part. I don't struggle to imagine even the type of relationship you're describing with a tulpa. Their traits after all, are suggested. Being mysterious and insightful into you are things that are possible with nothing more than suggestion. Your brain knows what it wants to hear, after all, already.
5:51 PM
Godforms are a thing in magic for that exact reason, and yes, while being thoughtforms they have observably different behaviour because they considered superior - Regardless of their religious origins, or even whether they were fictional deities.
5:52 PM
If you imagine a tulpa who is smarter than you, then while you may not create a super genius, you will create the internal illusion of insight fairly easily.
5:54 PM
I'm curious about your own experience of such by the way. Are you not the godform in your system, essentially?
5:56 PM
Mmm. That said, must go eat, will likely respond after.
What you are saying with the last paragraph there is that you have experienced events that were clearly caused by a god rather than random chance, and that is something no one has ever been able to prove despite trying very hard to do so.
I don't think I'm communicating effectively, I don't truly believe God actually influenced anything that happened in my or my headmate's lives (I have doubt in God and I think the scientific explanation is the right one). I assumed other people believed this and I used that as my example.
I agree with you that 'coincidence' does not mean a supernatural force is at work.
As for the rest, it may be helpful if I'm more clear on my position.
I was mistaken for God in my system, and I see myself as a human person and more importantly not God. I bought into the idea I'm special or an angel, but as time passed and the more stress it brought us the more I feel this is delusional.
After establishing I'm not God, Gray wondered if creating a god thoughtform was normal or not. He and I asked and from what we were told, no, God is not usually a thoughtform you literally talk to. That's where the assumption God is not a person came from.
If God exists, I believe the version of 'God' you talk to in your head is you, not God. At the very least, if that isn't true, then we can't trust anything in our head can actually represent God because every time we do, we end up talking to intrusive thoughts.
I believe tulpas can be treated like Gods and they end up with "powers" they are believed to have, but I don't think these tulpas are the real God.
(I have doubt in God and I think the scientific explanation is the right one)
Wait, what's the scientific explanation? :p
6:20 PM
We should define what we mean when we say "God"(edited)
6:22 PM
I grew up as a Jehovah's Witness, so I generally assume that when people call themselves Christians, by "God" they refer to Yahweh, Jesus' vengeful genocide daddy from the Old Testament (and/or Jesus himself), but that doesn't always seem to be the case(edited)
Does sleep deprivation make tulpa process go quicker cuz I’m gonna force myself to stay awake to see if it will make mine talk back
6:32 PM
Even if it did, you shouldn't sacrifice your health for tulpamancy.
And even if it somehow makes tulpamancy easier for you, you could get dependent on it.
From what you've said, the reason that you've rejected your godformyness seems to largely be cognitive dissonance based on your experience. But I would encourage you to acknowledge that your experience is still extremely within your mind's ability to effect. There's nothing about the thoughtform you describe that can't be attached to a tulpa.
8:39 PM
I am also currently in a hotel, my flight is tomorrow morning.
picking and choosing who said what after the fact is a pretty common thing to happen in tulpamancy, and you can direct it how you want
10:58 AM
it sounds like jack doesn't want to consider what was said as him saying it, so you could consider it as yourself saying it, or as random thoughts that just happened to occur to you during your day
11:00 AM
there's no reason to have another tulpa if you don't want. just feel free to write it off as one of the strange things the brain can do, and move on. if my system considered each time that happened as a new headmate, we would easily be approaching 50 headmates by now
people with tulpamancy experience can think of the tulpamancy explanation first, just because tulpamancy is on their mind, but it happens to singlets all the time
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picking and choosing who said what after the fact is a pretty common thing to happen in tulpamancy, and you can direct it how you want
Oke so i noticed jack had become a bit mean in the last few days but then he told me he wassent saying those words so how idk what to think anymore
This happened to me where Gray mistook me for an intrusive thought. If it's still hard to identify Jack and his thoughts, you can confuse other things in the mind for him.(edited)
It's perfectly normal, because you share the same brain. It still happens with my host and I to this very day. It would actually be worrying if that didn't (ever) happen.(edited)
Have you ever talked to yourself, as in, had an imaginary back-and-forth conversation with yourself? If so, did it feel similar to what you're describing?
Have you ever talked to yourself, as in, had an imaginary back-and-forth conversation with yourself? If so, did it feel similar to what you're describing?
It's, in my experience, a disparaging term that popped up over in tulpa central in response to a big fraction of the culture there promoting people having super lovey-dovey tulpas and having kind of surface-level predictable personalities. Basically a way to say "your tulpa isn't real, just you imagining a fantasy". A few groups split off of central after they got pissed because the former server owner made a "make a waifu tulpa!" video, and that term cropped up at around that time (or, that's when I first saw it start to be used).
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It's, in my experience, a disparaging term that popped up over in tulpa central in response to a big fraction of the culture there promoting people having super lovey-dovey tulpas and having kind of surface-level predictable personalities. Basically a way to say "your tulpa isn't real, just you imagining a fantasy". A few groups split off of central after they got pissed because the former server owner made a "make a waifu tulpa!" video, and that term cropped up at around that time (or, that's when I first saw it start to be used).
I don't like the idea of "waifumancy" either but I'm pretty sure "surface-level predictable personalities" was never apart of it? I think it's just about creating a tulpa with romantic/sexual intent, nothing to do with whether the tulpa has a lot of depth to them or not.
The big complaint I've always seen from people using the term tends to be "they always are so uwu cuddly and host-centric" and rarely "tulpas dating their host is wrong". Most of them will probably even promote the idea of tulpa-dating if it's after a certain point or the tulpa is developed enough. Although this is in my experience with people using the term around me, so it's very possible it varies depending on the person /group using it too.
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